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cars. But today we are going to be talking about the Corvette SS. Jan, welcome back to Corvette today, my
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friend. Hey Steve, it's a great pleasure. Thank you. Jan, let's get right into it. Give me
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the backstory on the Corvette SS. Well, Steve, the backstory is that the museum
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at the Indie Motor Speedway is going through a big renovation and they have
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decide to sell some seven cars in their collection that don't actually relate to
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race cars that ran at the ND500. And so, the Corvette SS is one of those
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cars. We talked a little bit about graphics and we have a lot of photos of this car which maybe we can use. I want
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to put in a big thank you to Lewis Galanos who's an author and historian
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who is known Sebring backwards and forwards and can he curated photos
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especially by a photographer whose name was Jean Busian who showed up at that time and got all these candid shots that
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you wouldn't find from a PR point of view and also to Doug Morton who is an
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incredible seing race car historian and has hundreds and hundreds of photos So,
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having paid our thank yous to them, the story really begins in 1955
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because, as we know, the Corvette was not doing so well before they they had
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the Blue Flame 6 and it was overpriced and they weren't selling very many of those cars. Obviously, the Corvette SS
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was a creation of Harley Earl, who you know was a great stylist. But let's go
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back a little bit to 1956 if we could. In 1956, Ed Cole, who was the chief
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engineer of Chevrolet, developed a V8 engine. It was 265 cubic in, and it
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packed more punch and it weighed a lot less than the blue flame 6, which is
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installed in the 1953 and 54 models. At that time we also know that Zora Dunto
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who racing in his DNA knew this car was not selling too well and he prevailed
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upon Ed Cole and the folks at GM they say hey we've got to prove this car in
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competition or it's going to die and I don't think that GM folks wanted that to
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happen. The place to race his car was Sebring and this was in late 1955 and
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the 12 hours of Sebring was coming up on March 24th of 1956. It was only months
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away. Dant was very very worried. There was not enough time to prepare this car.
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Smokey Unic, I think we've all heard about him. He was a guru of race cars in Daytona. They sent him a 1956 Corvette.
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His comment was, "This thing doesn't handle better than a manure spreader. It's too heavy. It can't stop.
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Everything's wrong." Of course, they were upset and they didn't want to have anything more to do with Smokey after that. But nonetheless, Zoro legitimately
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was very concerned because he felt that if the Corvette failed, the odds were
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not very good. He would be very embarrassed. It was one of those times. I think we all try to summon up our
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courage, but Zora honestly felt that, hey, maybe it's better not me. Ed Cole
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was not a man to sit on his hands. He said, "Look, I'm going to go find John Fitch." John Fitch was really America's
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top sports car racer at that time. One of the incredible things about John
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Fitch is he was the only American invited to drive for the MercedesBenz
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race car team. and he would have possibly continued but you know there was this huge crash at Milman's in 1955
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and Mercedes dropped out of racing right but in any event we have John Fitch they
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put this car together it's unbelievable they had to build these cars so fast that they scavengered frames off of 1955
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Corvettes they got rid of those bodies they put the 56 body on which you knew was a big improvement and had roll up
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windows didn't have those silly side curtains and all this stuff. They got the car into the race. And the
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interesting thing also is there were three other Corvettes that were part of this entry also. It was called Raceway
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Enterprises because GM did not want to tell the world they were behind this. But in any event, they had four cars in
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here. And there was the five, six, and seven cars which did not finish. But Fitch's car was a little bit extra
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prepared. I think he had a four-speed transmission, a little hotter motor, and he was in a class that turned out to be
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a one of one because Ford Thunderbird was going to do an entry, and they dropped out at the last minute.
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Wow. So, long story short, John Fitch and Walt Hanskin, all they had to do was finish, but they did. Fish was an
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intellect. He said, "We got more than we expected and more than we deserved."
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However, the interesting thing is that the folks at GM, they know how to tell
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stories. and they said, "Wow, we won a 12-hour race in our first time out. This
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is terrific." That was the impetus to go all out. Instead of going to win a
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class, there was Maserati, there was Ferrari and Jaguar. They were going for the number one. They said, "Hey, let's
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of 2025. Jan, a lot of elements of this car were borrowed from other brands, weren't it?
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That's correct. General Motors say, "Hey, we're pretty hopped up by winning in 1956. let's develop a Carter when the
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whole thing the prototypes at the time were Ferrari, Maserati, and Jaguar.
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Thanks to what Fitch knew about the Mercedes because he raced with them and
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he was an engineer also may not be aware of it. Pretty sharp guy. The chassis was
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it was riddled with problems leading to failure that put that car out of action for good. As we shall see, by happen
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look. The offshoot came from a car called the Mule. Duntov thought, "Wow, I
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know that this car is going to be styled to the max, but this race is coming up and we don't know much about Sebring and
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how it's going to work out." So, he took the initiative to build a car. It was
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kind of rough looking, but it would mimic the Corvette SS in most respects,
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mechanically and all that. So, this car was called the Mule. And again, with no
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time to lose, Fitch was stationed at Sebring and they gave him this car and
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he spent January, February, and March pounding around that track finding every
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possible defect. I mean, the brakes weren't very good and wasn't handling and it could overheat. So, what they had
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to do then is go back to GM and order parts that they would make and put a
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part number off it, ship it back down there, put it onto the car, go run it out again, and try to get it ready for
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the race, which is in March 23rd, 1957. It's worth a minute to talk about the
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mule because we're all familiar with Bill Mitchell who pioneered the stingray look. He took over for Harley Earl when
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the Corvette SS failed. And we can get into that a little bit. This mule was hanging around and Bill Mitchell again
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was a pretty dynamic guy and he said, "Wow, I'm gonna buy that thing." And he paid for it, pay GM, out of his own
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pocket and he designed this body that was the precursor of the Stingray. He
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hired Dick Thompson, who was one of the big Corvette racers of the time, to drive it. The car was incredibly light.
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It weighed only 1,850 lbs. It was lighter than a standard Corvette by about 1,000 lbs. and Dick Thompson won
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the SECA C modified championship in 1960. Yeah. So Harley Earl and his stylists back in
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Michigan were going over every detail and they were did a great job. They chose to make the body out of magnesium
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magnesium conducted a lot more heat. When they got the Corvette SS down
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worked on back in Michigan, Zora Dunto was buzzing all over Sebring when he
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could and he sought out the great Sterling Moss and Juan Miguel Fangio. He
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said, "Hey, you know, I'd like you guys to try this car out. you know, it may be a little bit crude, but give it a go.
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at Sebring. Wow. That's how good this car was going to be mechanically. But they also had some
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great misgivings because they said, "Hey, they knew the real car was still being worked on. In fact, people say it
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was still being worked on in his trailer on the way to Sebring." and they said, "Wow, this thing's gonna arrive way too
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recruited someone called Pierro Terufi. He's written books on racing. He was an
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Nice. Anyway, arriving the day before the race, turned out the Corvette completed
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just 23 laps. A bushing in the rear suspension had collapsed. that couldn't be fixed. But there were other problems,
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too. There were brake balance issues and all kinds of things. So, that led to unfortunately the demise of the Corvette
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SS. What ultimately happened to the SS? Well, here's what happened. They said, "Okay, no big deal. You know, we learned
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our lesson, but we're going to go prepare for LAMA. That's where we're going to be able to have a chance to race this car and prove it again." I
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think the prototype and again I'm not sure people knew at the time but the track at Sebring which is made up of
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airport runways and asphalt and all kinds of things it pounded the heck out of cars and people felt that 12 hour
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sebring if you could get through that you had a better chance of lemons but that's just another thing and again I
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don't want to go into this right now but I did a little homework on a man named Alec Alman ul l mm-m who started the
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race at Sebring and it's a fascinating story because he was such a interesting
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engineer race car pioneer guy in SECA. And so the Sebring race and we might
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talk about a little bit later became the crucible for Corvettes when they developed Corvettes over the years. Very
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shortly after Sebring was April 1957, GM pulled the plug. They said, "We are
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getting out of sports car racing." And it turned out that put the Corvette SS out of commission. It was toast. It
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would never race again. The official word was safety, but the real reason was
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noted, Steve, that GM controlled 50% of the market. Wow. In fact, Eisenhower was president
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Race fans are very upset about this to the day, but you know, when it comes to a big corporate issue, it dwarfs
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everything else. Yeah. So GM being a public company, what do they typically do? They sent these things to the
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Jan Hyde. Jan and I are talking about the legendary Corvette SS that will be sold in February 2025 at Sabes in Miami.
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In our last segment, Jan, you said fate intervened because the Corvette SS was destined for the crusher. This has got
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to be a great backstory. What happened to the Corvette SS and why did it not go to the Crusher?
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Well, again, we can thank Zora Arcus Dunto for that. While he played a great part in engineering and designing the
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SS, there's probably something emotional in Zora. There's a lot of emotion in Zora to be honest with you. He was
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concerned about this. GM being very profit and lossoriented. They said, you know, we can't have this thing hanging
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around. It's going to cost us money. He managed to dodge those folks for a while. He hid the car and he also
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reached out to the folks at the Indianapolis Speedway Museum. It was kind of getting started at the time
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also, right? And he prevailed on them to take the car. Some people say he hustled out in
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the darkness of night. I don't know about that, but the car was moved to the Indie Museum. It has been there until
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now when the in museum, as we mentioned, is selling off some cars to help in a big makeover. The nice thing about the
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Indie Museum is that they were very willing to lend the Corvette SS for
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display. So, a good part of the story is a happy part because instead of just
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sitting there under wraps or in a corner, they were willing if you showed up and I guess you had to sign and shure
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it and make sure it was going to not get hurt and all that, bring it back. Of course, the car did get around. Now, I can't
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talk about all of them, but I'm very attracted and emotional about this car if you haven't figured that out by now.
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We raced a straight axle Corvette in vintage races and that took me out to Monterey in 1987. Steve Earl hold to
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Monterey Historic and I think that was a 75th anniversary of Chevrolet and
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believe it or not they reunited John Fitch and Zora Duntov with the Corvette
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SS there. The thing that was kind of amusing to me because I enjoy thinking
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about people and their personalities. John Fitch drove that car around on the
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paceel laps. Zora was not allowed to drive the car and yet it was his
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creation. And this probably got him a little bit steamed. But I think he and
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Fitch got along, but there might have been some strains of resentment going
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back when Zora took himself out of the 1956 project and Fitch stepped in.
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Yeah. But anyway, I had another encounter with a Corvette SS in June
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2013. Tony Pereella had taken over SVR. It's a big vintage racing organization.
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And Tony has huge ambitions and he prevailed on the Indie Motor Speedway to
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have a big vintage race weekend. And so the Corvette SS which was at the museum
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was rolled out. We got a good chance to interact with it at that time. Another time was more recent. couple more times.
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In September of 2022, Limerock, they jumped the gun on the 70th anniversary
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incredible job. There were some fellas who just really knew their way inside GM and they got race cars and all kinds of
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displays going on. And in fact, Mark Royce, the the president of GM, came there. He's the coolest guy. And so they
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brought the SS to what they call Limerock Historic Festival 40. Finally,
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last September of 2023, not 2024. There was a great event in Pontiac, Michigan
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at a place called the M1 Concourse. Steve, if you haven't been there, you might want to try to check it out. It's
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a track that was built on like 80 or 90 acres. It was formerly a GM plant that
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some folks got a hold of and they reszoned it and they have it's like a motorsports country club. They have all
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these garage condominiums around there and they have a racetrack and so they can drive around the track and also keep
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their prized possessions there. It's really cool. We had the Corvette SS there. Now we are up to present and and
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the Corvette SS is going to go for sale. Yeah, I was going to ask you Jan Sabes has this estimated at5 to 7 million. Do
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you think that's an accurate assessment of the value of this car? Yeah, I think people have said the market for car, especially cars like
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this is quote paper thin. The auction companies though are pretty sharp. They know what they're doing. I'm not sure
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you might have seen it, but they've already come out, you can find it on the internet, they come out with their hype
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about this car. To their credit, usually the auction companies say, "Oh, this car won it. It won that and blah blah blah
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blah blah." But in this case, never won anything and got stopped in its tracks. But the cool thing about this is it's
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extremely authentic. It took place in a pivotal time in Corvette racing history.
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And the personalities involved, you know, from Ed Cole to Harley Earl to Jorah Dunto and John Fitch and Bill
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Mitchell, these are huge personalities and they all had some kind of an imprint
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on this car. I for one feel very gratified to have this car, but the
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price tag might be an issue. All they have to do is maybe bring in some shield biders or whatever it is. I don't know
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about you, Steve, I think they're going to do a good job. And I think whether it's 5 million or 6 million or 7
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million. My hope is the GM Heritage Collection, which not sure you've been
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to, but it's a wonderful place, it's expanding, relocating from Sterling Heist to Grand Blanc Township. That's
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where the Stingray Racer sits. The Corvette SS and the Stingray Racer are really joined at the hips because, as we
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said, the Stingray Racer is built on the underpinnings of the Corvette SS. So, if
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GM can prevail, and I don't think $5 million or $7 million, that's a speed
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bump in their budget, right? I think that would be a nice thing. But I'm saying this strictly out of
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sentiment. I'm not being practical, but that's my feelings. And then on the other hand, I think that the folks at
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the Corvette Museum, it's a great place for a display there. And instead of having to put up the money, I'm sure
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consistent with the IMS lending out this, GM would be happy to lend the
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Corvette SS out for display at the museum. I'm going to end up with this. I don't know about you, Steve, but when I
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look at this car, and if you see a picture of me next to this thing at the M1 Conquerors, I got my hands wrapped
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around this thing. I could almost make love with this car. I'm kissing it. It just brings out the best feeling. You
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cannot look at this car and say, "I hate that." If you're talking about a symbol of Goodwill and what GM and everybody
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else tries to do on a social media, I think the Corvette SS is a home run. So,
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if I can finish it at that, I hope that that's satisfactory. That's a great place to finish. Jan,
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thank you so much for being back on Corvette today, my friend. It has been too long. Let's make the next one a lot
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closer to this one. Okay. Great. Thanks a lot, Stephen. Best for the new year. Thanks again for listening
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