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happy and honored to be here and very excited to talk to you about our programs that we have going on and what we may have coming across the horizon
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here that's awesome brandon let's start off about this new Eliminator spec engine how was this thing imagined whose
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idea was it and how did it come into being so this was kind of a a joint project through our team our engineering
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team we knew that we wanted to build more power and torque out of these engines for the LT2 platform for our
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customer base that is always striving for more power and for the customers that are striving for the reliability on
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a trackbased engine we actually just had a few of these these engines finish up some track circuits we had one just
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finished the one lap tire race per tire rack in that car we end up coming in fourth out of about 100 cars on a -ay
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we did learn a few more things during the week a couple weeks ago for engineering and development on this LT2
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platform man that sounds really cool buddy now this engine really reminds me of the good old 427 cubic inch
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horsepower LS7 engines from the C6 Z06 days is that a coincidence it's not a
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coincidence gm really had their ducks in a row when they designed the 427 in our early development we tried a few
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due diligence we tried a few other combinations in a 427 a 4125 bore in a
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4-in stroke was the happiest combination the torque curve was the best and it carried the power out the top for what
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we wanted to see that's right now your team did some major work on the LT2 engine you took that engine you added a
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new crankshaft new pistons and ported heads let's talk a little bit more about the details on all of those so we had to
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go through a lot of engineering one of the biggest hurdles was the crankshaft itself obviously adding that 4-in stroke
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actually clear it that lays the backbone for it from there the general heart is
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what I would call it the cam shaft of the engine that is what dictates all the valve train movements on this engine and
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that's what really lays the groundwork with the crank in this 427 so the cam
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shaft plays a huge role in it because it dictates how we control clutch roll out
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where power comes in how smooth we can have a roll out on the dual clutch transmission so we really took time in
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engineering that cam shaft for this program as well that's awesome now tell me the horsepower and the torque numbers
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for this engine so this engine here on 93 octane pump gas we do see 700
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horsepower wow we see the 700 horsepower in our closed loop dyno cells that we
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did so in the car we do require for that 700 horsepower a nice free flowing air
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in reality it's a big air pump better air in better air out is where we get this horsepower from we've ran this on a
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few cars with stock exhaust and we have seen horsepower numbers suffer because of stock exhaust so moving forward we do
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coups for these at this time gotcha and this is not just for Stingray either is it correct we've done this on -ays as
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well the -ray platform really takes this engine to a whole another level adding that 160 horsepower from the front drive
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and it it really turns into some would call it a supercar territory it's a monster isn't it buddy it is it is
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that's awesome well Brandon let's take our first break when we come back we'll talk more about this new engine from Linganfelter Performance Engineering
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833-639-4231 i'm your host Steve Garrett with me is Brandon Baker the vice president of sales and marketing for
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Lingfelter Performance Engineering we're talking about the brand new awesome engine that they've got for the LT2
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brandon this engine takes the LT2 from 6.2 2 L to 7 L which is amazing does the
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Eliminator Spec S work well with the rest of the drivetrain dry sump oil pam the TMIC dual clutch transmission and
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all that stuff yeah so our LT2 engine here our 427 it is designed to go into a
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factory chassis we do modify the oil pan in house the TMIC dual clutch transmission pairs very nicely with it
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on our race spec cars we'll upgrade the clutches in them to a Dodson Supertock or sportsman clutch okay to handle a
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little bit more power from it but as far as a drivetrain it's a pretty seamless integration that we do for it no
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aftermarket controllers or anything is needed there we really designed this to be an engine that you can send anyone
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out in it'll drive like a factory car you just won't have your four-cylinder mode anymore but I haven't had anyone
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complain about that yet daytoday it's not operate the same
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just once you put your foot to the floor you're going to have more power on tap and you'll have a lot more torque on tap
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as well with it that's awesome now like you said before you guys put this engine in the -ray tell me how that went with
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the -ay's motor in the front and the all-wheel drive at first it was a bit of a learning curve there's a little
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obviously the learning curve from the front engine we did get around that pretty quickly they do pair very well
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especially launching the car the car already launches very well and it's very quick a jot to 60 but this just adds a
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whole another step to it as soon as your rear tires start slipping or spinning those front are right there to pull you
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along and once you get up a little more in RPM that 427 just keeps you screaming
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down the road it's quite the car to drive at that point i've driven many cars in my day and even for a naturally
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aspirated car it is very very impressive to have that's got to be amazing now
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with this Eliminator Spec S you can modify it for even more horsepower can't you tell me a little bit more about that
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and what do you do to add more horsepower above and beyond the 700 horsepower that it comes with yeah so on
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these 427s we still learn more and more every day on these combinations the CA
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platform every day there's something that we're learning on them we're smarter the next week after the week before so we're continuing to upgrade
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these illuminator spec S's and Spec RS for some of our race cars on the 427
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market we're still playing with cam shaft combinations we've played with compression ratios where we're bumping
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compression for a few guys we are now offering E85 on the 427 option we pick
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up our 20 25 horsepower from that alone just a higher knock rating of that fuel
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allows us to have a little bit more timing in it we're pretty close to where we can get these cars to run past our
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6600 RPM limitation so right now we're limited to 6,600 RPM for the shifts
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because the shift is controlled by the TCM and we do have ways where we can overcome that at this time that's still
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an R&D and I have a few customer cars out there that we're testing with those guys as well once we're past that these
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will be 7,000 plus RPM engines is where this 427 will truly shine and really
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start breathing well but that 6600 RPM really had us limited before there's
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definitely more to come we do run our carbon fiber intake manifold on these to pick up power the billet Wilson manifold
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we do pick up even more power with that one we do require a nice exhaust system free flowing cats a nice airbox
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generally we'd use the Halltech Hornet airbox we see good gains with that piece nice that's amazing now I should have
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asked you this from the very get-go is this an entirely brand new engine or do you use that existing LT2 engine that
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comes in the Corvette so we use the existing LT2 that comes in the car okay we do this on a core program so
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generally we have about 10 of these engines in rotation at a time of those 10 I can speak right now eight of the 10
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are spoken for i'll probably have the other two spoken for in a week or two but what we do all these cars that we're
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getting in they're one two maybe 5,000 miles at the max so we take the engine
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from the car we use that as a core and we put in already assembled dyno ran
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tested make sure there's no leaks or anything on the engine dyno and that goes right into the customer's car at
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that point we transfer over their electronics we put a new oil tank on there so there's no crosscontamination
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or anything but everything will transfer back to the customer's car that's awesome by us doing this it cuts down
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our turnaround time by about two 3 weeks in some instances so it's essentially an
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engine swap if you were to bring me a C8 in 3 weeks i would have the car for 2 to
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3 weeks opposed to 2 or 3 months on what it takes us to actually build the engine
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these 427s they're built entirely by hand i have a guy on them we have 60
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plus hours per engine to build these so they're very labor intensive all the bores are checked at six points there's
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quite a bit that goes in we have almost a pamphlet of a build book that we can give the customers of every little
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measurement we did on it so it definitely takes up time and that's why we do the core program on these and in
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reality we're replacing all the parts in it with new pieces the only thing that
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say is the block they get linehed we put sleeves in it they get lifter bushed as
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well lifter bush helps on the core shift between the lifters and everything and we do those bushings so we can tighten
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up the tolerances so we can have a higher oil pressure on them oh that's pretty amazing buddy now the big
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question is everybody wants to know what's the price of the Eliminator Spec S and where can we get that installed
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the engine itself for the program installed is 30,000 e-rays require a
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little bit more so we're a little bit higher on a -ay but not bad a couple thousand dollar more on a -ay we do
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these at two locations my Wix in Michigan and my Decatur Indiana i do also sell this engine as a core program
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so I can send it to a local installer buyer near a customer if they're way out
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of state or anything a lot of guys opt to have the car come to us so they can have our certificate our authenticity
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paper and all that stuff with it our badges 90% of the time we get the car that comes here for the 427 but I do
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still send the engines out just themselves and people do install them on their own well that all makes sense i
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would rather have you guys do it than have somebody else that doesn't know exactly what it takes to do that put
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that in my car that would be great right well Brandon let's take our final break when we come back we'll talk about more
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833-639-4231 i'm your host Steve Garrett with me is my buddy Brandon Baker brandon is the vice president of sales
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and marketing for Lingenfelter Performance Engineering we're talking about this awesome new engine that they've got for the C8 Stingray brandon
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let's talk some more nuts and bolts you had to add additional ventilation to the valley area that supports the upper
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scavenging system this was necessary wasn't it i mean you had to have more air right correct so we actually want to
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alleviate air is is where it comes from oh we get a little bit more crankase pressure in the crank the factory oil
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scavenging system it does pull it pretty well being a dry sump but we still did find some areas of issue down there
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where we had to alleviate some more pressure we do ventilate the center valley of these engines to get some
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ventilation out and we do pull it out through like the valve covers on these engines to alleviate that pressure we
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did have a few early issues rear crank seals is where this came about and we freed up some power from this as well so
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when there's too much air down there you're compressing more on the bottom side of the piston so when we alleviate that pressure it's just a little bit
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easier for the piston on the down stroke gotcha that makes sense i'm not a mechanical guy but you explained it to
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me and I understand that so that well done my friend also the CNC process had a lot of benefits for you guys as well
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talk to me about that so when we go in and build these engines on a 4125 bore a
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factory bore is only 4065 so we have to go quite a bit bigger on the bore itself that's why we go in
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we cut the factory sleeve liners out of it and we put in an aftermarket sleeve in there the aftermarket sleeve is a lot
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stronger a lot more rigid and we add some rigidity to the block for that reason so we go in we cut those sleeves
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out we also lifter bore these blocks the lifter bores allows us to correct on
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some core shift in there and it also helps us on oil pressure when we lifter bush them we can hone each lifter bore
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individually to our set tolerance that we want from our engine builders and we can actually raise or decrease oil
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pressure on some of these if we have a very tight tolerance it's basically quality control at that point as I
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mentioned earlier we are on a core program for these so we don't want a customer on a 5,000 mi car getting an
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engine from someone on a 8,000 mi deal when we go and lift or bush it new sleeves all the parts that any new
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rotating assembly is touching is brand new pieces it's honed to spec it's
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properly sized it's brand new the only thing that transitions over is the block
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but these blocks they're not number matching like the old days and stuff there's no issues there there's no
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numbers matching on these anymore i have people ask quite often about that as well why want my original engine and in
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reality you would never know to be honest the CNC is very critical to this project without it we would never been
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able to do the traditional 427 cubic inch we could cheat more and do a larger
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bore and have a a smaller stroke but having the 4in stroke is the key to this
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because as I said before we're limited to 6600 RPM for that shift event we just
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couldn't go past it at the time hopefully here pretty soon we'll have a few things released on where we're shifting these things at 7,000 RPM nice
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in it go anywhere for some people these are pleasure cars some people they're commuter cars i've seen a few C8s come
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systems or anything and they put it on and they just kept on driving wow that's amazing and you know what it would be so
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