CORVETTE TODAY #187 - Corvette News & Headlines, Mid November 2023

Name: CORVETTE TODAY #187 - Corvette News & Headlines, Mid November 2023
Uploaded: 2025-05-08T22:00:39+00:00
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current and up toate on what's happening with America Sports Car Keith welcome back to the show buddy I can't believe
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next week is Thanksgiving week it's really crazy how fast this year's gone and now we're getting into the holiday
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season I know a lot of people have are started putting their cars away they've already put them away yeah it's just that time of year the time change just
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went through so I'm still all confused my dog's all confused because he don't know when he's getting
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his I like this time of year it's exciting and there's always news with Corvette so let's get to it let's get to
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it buddy let's get our Corvette production update at the Bowling Green assembly plant so we pulled the latest Vin Counts from Roger Keels spreadsheet
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over on Facebook it's a little couple days older but it shows that the VIN counts are 4762 Corvette Stingrays and we have
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another 1300 or so Corvette z6s that have been built so far so the total for the 2024 model year we're looking at
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6,130 Corvettes or so that have been produced wow so far we have no eays produced at least no customer eays as we
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mentioned I think on the last show the earliest tpws we've seen for the eay is still December 4th I would not even be
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surprised that that changed hopefully they can start getting some stuff stuff and moving it but there are some traditional Parts challenges at Bowling
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Green and hopefully they can fight through it so far no EAS but they are still banging out the stingrays in the z6s yeah at a good Pace as well so
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that's really good and that's really promising so hopefully we will get these e-rays before the end of the year also
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speaking of the eay we found that they were honored with the 2023 vehicle engineering team award that's right yeah
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the Corvette eay won an industry award from the Society of plastics Engineers you can imagine what their Gala Festival
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is going to be like Steve I'm sure yeah the joint team is made up from GM and its vendors and they're going to receive
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this award from the 52nd Society of plastic Engineers Automotive Innovation Awards Gala in November here's what they
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liked about the 's use of composite materials it says the new eray earned this award for use of several plastic
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and composite Technologies including a carbon fiber reinforced epoxy wheel which is basically the carbon fiber
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wheel from carbon Revolution and then they also like the Hybrid battery interconnect board plastic oil Cooling
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lines a battery module side plates and the battery module structure itself again congratulations to the A Team may
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it be the first of many awards for this hybrid sports car I bet it is I think it's one of many coming up unfortunately
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we had another part shortage and it shut down Bowling Green assembly plant for a day or so it did actually we've lost two
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days over the last two weeks of production so not just one shortage it's actually the same shortage from what we
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understand so apparently both are due to GM's Bedford casting plants up in Indiana they make aluminum castings of
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they have the Bedford 6 which is the really big joints on the car but they also make engine cradles as well we've
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heard both things and they're just showing up late to the plant the plant missed two shifts the week of October
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30th and then just again last Tuesday both shifts were idled due to the lack of parts I don't know if this was due to
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the UAW strike which may have impacted other GM facilities getting stuff to Bedford which then gets Stu to us we
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don't know what the problem is but hopefully it's just again one of these things that can be resolved real soon yeah hopefully it's just a little blip
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in the road for sure and the good news is you can now download the 2024 owner manuals for Stingray ZO6 and eay yeah
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somebody consider reading an owner's manual some pretty dry reading yeah but for those with the new Corvette on the way it's a pretty good way to acquaint
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yourself with the various controls and operations of the new car I've certainly would dive in if I've got my r-ray
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coming one of the cool things we do have with this is that a guy in the Corvette form did do an eay version of the owners
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banel so he went in and highlighted it all where there's specific eay content so even if you're familiar with controls
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of the ca Corvette previously there's still a lot to know for the eay and of course people are still getting their
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z6s so it's just again a great way to acquaint yourself with the operations and how your car works of course don't
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and see how they're doing things these days some of those service schedules have changed a little bit over the years it's just a good way to keep a breast on
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with America Sports Car Keith let's first talk about Corvette racing unfortunately it's the end of Corvette
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racing how did we do in Bahrain it was the last race of the year Corvette racing actually finished seventh in the
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class out of the eight hours of brain and that did close the season it was a historic season though for Corvette racings WC te they already clinched the
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GTE amateur class championship in July with two races to go in terms of the Season itself Corvette racing saw the
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checkered flag in three races which included the 24 hours of lons the th000 miles of Sebring and the six hours at
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ptoo whenever you have success like that it was a pretty good season Steve next year we're going to see the transition
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to the Corvette Z06 gt3r that's going to be k by the British team TF sport in the
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new lemon GT3 class so there'll be two cars running there next year we'll be able to start all over again I believe
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the season starts in March for the wec we'll be watching that schedule and seeing where they're going for sure and
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speaking of the wec Laura clauser gave a speech at the we awards banquet talk to
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me about what she said yeah so it was pretty fun I just caught some videos on Facebook apparently she was given an
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award for like personality of the year in the wec and I guess this is all due to everything they're doing of course they're running The Cadillacs there in
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addition to Corvette racing this year and then we got the transition to the GT3 team Cadillac racing is still going
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to be over there so it's a big deal for us she got this award and as she was up on stage being recognized it was kind of
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funny because her presentation was briefly interrupted when Corvette racing team members started blowing the train
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horn that train horn that is always there at L man's for singling lunchtime and in fact when the race was over Brian
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they pulled out the train horn and let it rip as well the champions of the class corate racing photographer Richard
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Prince was there and this is what he says about he says in a bad boy tradition started by Don M and
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perpetuated by David James for many years the Corvett team Rock lemons each day leading up to the 24-hour Race by
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blasting the train horn on pit lanane at lunchtime he says this rebellious act has been a beloved lemon's tradition for
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a long time and one of the many things that endeared Corvette racing to the fans the world over we think that's great of course you know this was
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Corvette racing team that's doing it next year we're transitioning to the TF sport we really like to see that lon's
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tradition continue over with the new team again it was just something fun and of course David James who was with the team for a long time kind of a jack of
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all trades but he also drove the Transporters that was his thing to do really cool I hope they keep it up the
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tradition but we've got video of Laura clauser you know she started to talk and all a sudden that train horn rips and
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Steve they don't stop for like a minute they let it go and go and go it's a fun moment there it's just Corvette racing
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beat and Corvette racing I'll have to look at that video that'll be fun in the rumor section Keith this is Big Stuff a
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GM parts catalog leaked the confirmation of the ZR1 with an lt7 engine that's
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turbo powerered now this is V8 with 5.5 liters right exactly yeah so previous
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the corate engineering teams 2 EX at the nurburg ring the last month been all kinds of speculation about what engine
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would be powering that King of the Hill sports car would it be a V8 with turbos would it be another Performance Hybrid like the eay well the GM parts catalog
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leak it helped us now we really understand that we're looking at the Corvette ZR1 with a 5.5 L twin turbo
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and then the engine will also have direct injection variable valve timing and active fuel management wow one of
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the big questions about the lt7 remaining is whether we'll have the flat plane crankshaft like the z06's lt6
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motor or to help reduce vibrations when we see the RPMs come down a little bit and we'll have a low revving crossplane
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crank V8 right we're still kind of working out those details but one other thing about this leak is that the
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descriptions show the customer engine build program as well we haven't had that for the C8 era yet the program was
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set the debut with the lt6 but with all the issues of rolling up the car last year and stuff like that those plans were Shel maybe for the ZR1 we will
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finally see the engine build return some real movement there on getting a better understanding of what we're going to see
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in the ZR1 yeah that would be really cool to get that program back again but the funny thing was is first of all we
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got this leak and then we got another leak that said no the lt7 is a diesel engine what the heck is that all about
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you know this is GM I think just having a little fun they're also cleaning up there mess on I2 as we like to say right
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so it was a guy over in the Corvette forum who found the original leak in the GM parts cataloges these are Global
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catalogs you'll see a lot of different parts companies but it's all the same data it's the same image it's the same Parts number so to speak the guy who
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found it says that GM started scrubbing the parts catalog later that same day once the story started coming out and
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the references for the lt7 were changed from a 5.5 L twin turbo to a 4.3 L V6
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diesel motor and again we think they're having some fun with us of course we did enjoy putting up a photo of a 1980s old
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mobile which had the RPO lt7 which was a V6 diesel apparently that only stayed up
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for a couple days and all that information's now gone but this guy is still digging and he says he's still finding some stuff with lt7 references
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and there's a code in there it's like a y code and it's a y and then something after and then that appears to designate
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okay Stingray that one's for Z6 this Y is for the ZR1 so that's what we're
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seeing still some references in there there as we get closer to regular production of this car which could be as
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early as next year might be actually in 2025 we're going to actually see more of these leaks that's one of the benefits
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that we have of watching this huge corporation that has so many moving Parts there's no possible way they can
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lock down all that information and before the internet no one would have found this stuff just one of the benefits that we have and of course all
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these Corvette enthusiasts out there you know doing the leg work for people like you and me to be able to find this stuff and bring it to light again this is just
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an Enthusiast found this info and having some fun with it of course tm's having some fun with us so yeah it's all been
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fun yeah don't they realize we're smarter than the average bear we know where to look for this stuff you know
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and it's not April Fool's Day either so stop the that's right Steve are we supposed to shrug our shoulders and say
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oh okay it's a diesel engine okay yeah you know we had that crate at the Corvette museum that had the lt7 beta
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listed on it you know it was like burned into the crate right we know lt7 we see in the parts catalog and it's not a
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diesel they can't fool us speak speaking of rumors Keith GM did file a patent for a hybrid metal
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composite two-piece wheel that sounds interesting we like to say that GM's Reinventing the wheel once again well
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maybe it's the carbon fiber wheel they're Reinventing once again but this is a recent patent application for Wheels built from a combination of metal
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and composite material so the idea is that it still saves weight with the composite material you do the visible
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carbon fiber weave on it you know you get that look but it's going to be stronger because you do have the metal barrel with the current lawsuits about
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cracked wheels on C7 still on settled no doubt that GM would really like to see some more durable Wheels in its future
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lineup anyways but this might be just one way how they do it of course we don't really have any major reports of
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current production wheels that any kind of cracking there we did see some cracking on one of the CTF cars and no
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the pre-production cars found to happen they really tear those cars up we might be looking at some new wheels for a
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future Corvette hey if they're carbon fiber I'm all in buddy I know that and our last rumor Keithan this is Big Stuff
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GM May build the Corvette EV and an electric Cadillac but but they're going to build it possibly at the Lancing
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Grand River facility yeah so within the UAW agreement there's always a section in there that kind of discusses future
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production and so one of the facilities that was being targeted by GM to build electric vehicles is that current
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Lancing Grand River facility in Michigan I think they're building Camaros right now and some Cadillacs so they're
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talking about that might be the facility that builds like Corvette EV you know it could be the SUV it could be the sedan
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that we've been hearing so it's really kind of unsure yet we're also looking at possibly 27 as a start date there but
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again a lot of this stuff's up in the air we talked about the Corvette SUV if an EV comes you know Chevrolet already
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has nine SUVs on the market so where do you find the space to put a Corvette EV in there as well that's an SUV but you
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know it's just one of these things that come out of these agreements we'll be looking to see if there's any other interesting things in there I don't know
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if the agreement's been made public for all of us yet I do know that in terms of the UAW strike that the board has
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approved it then it goes out to the membership I think I don't think the membership sh has fully approved it yet but that's all coming that sounds good
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always go to Corvette blogger.com in this final segment we always talk about the lighter side of Corvette Keith we
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had the top Corvette dealerships through October just come out yeah we had a source sometimes we get these sometimes
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we don't it's funny how they do come up and they come in a couple different formats sometimes you know we're just happy to get it but what we got was a
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list of the top 20 Corvette dealers in calendar year 2023 through October 31st we just had an update in September or I
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guess it was the end of August the order hasn't really changed we're still seeing mcul and Chevrolet they're the top
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dealer for 2023 so far they're at 1358 deliveries and then second is coka
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Corvette of Atlantic City with 975 you can see mcm's really stretched out their lead there as part of being the world's
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biggest Corvette dealer and congratulations to them third place again we have our friend Mike Ferman at chriswell Chevrolet he's at 467 and then
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from there the list goes down bomin Dand 433 Le Stanford Chevrolet 379 steamray
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Chevrolet in Florida here 242 so you can kind of see that we've got the full 20 on there no big changes that we've seen
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what I always tell people is that while these are the big dealers most of them especially in the top 10 sell at MSRP by
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far most Corvettes are bought outside of these dealers one time I ran the numbers and it was like 85% or almost closer to
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as well and see if you can get that because the big guys still have plenty of people on their list especially even Stingray even though we're in the fifth
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to get a car faster than you could get it through the top 10 the biggest question always is MSRP and again with
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dealers are selling at less than MSRP right this is really the perfect time to start looking and buying a Corvette
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Stingray good advice buddy good advice for sure and if you want the ultimate piece of Rock and Roll History everybody
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coming up they're calling it their 20th anniversary of played worn and torn rock and roll iconic guitars and memorabilia
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there are some really cool guitars in this catalog I went through and kind of looked at some of the stuff they have there but Slash's old 66 Corvette is
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that car for hours boy that would be nice looking in the garage wouldn't it buddy that would yes I would and this is
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a really sad story I was so sad to see this a fire destroyed the Tustin California Hangar that hosted the reveal
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of the C8 Corvette back in July of 2019 yeah if it wouldn't have been for the reveal just would have been another
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piece of news we would have read and said oh that's sad you know it's burning structure that's never good but because we've all been there we were there for
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the reveal on 71 1819 it hit us a little harder I guess Los Angeles Daily News
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reported that 7 firefighters were battling this fire it's like one of the larest wooden structures ever built 17
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stories high they brought in a chinuk helicopters to dump water on the roof because there's no water actually on the
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property they were running hoses way far away to get water to the structure and they were bringing in tanker trucks that
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had their own water eventually it just got out of control and we just made the decision you got to let it burn and
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collapse and then we'll deal with it there so unfortunately the fire started overnight and then by the next day just
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had this gaping hole in it again just a little sad because we were there there was a bunch of movies shot there Austin
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Powers you know where he goes back into the future and that VW he's backing into all their scientific equipment and stuff
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like that that was shot there there was a Star Trek movie shot there X Files Jag
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there was a couple commercials shot there again it was this huge structure so they could really do a lot with it sad to see it go yeah the community
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there they've been trying to do some different things to save it but now might just decide to raise it they have that extra land there they can do
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something with but very sad to see because we were all there on the night of 7819 yeah and our final story Keith
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Corvette is one of the 25 cars that actually holds the best value over a fiveyear period which is encouraging
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news yeah and you know what we're talking about though actually right with this study is the end of the C7 era
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which is 2018 to 2019 those cars are now 5 years old we say like the research Geeks at IC cars released this study and
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they were looking at that they said that the average 5-year depreciation on all cars currently is
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38.8% but if you bought a C7 Corvette back in 2018 or 19 you're going to make out a little bit better because our
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Corvettes are depreciating at about 27.5% so uh a little bit better than the average and then the average difference
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from MSRP is said to be $227 the depreciation rate put Corvette
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at number 23 on this list of 25 best vehicles retaining their values we obviously think that's you know hey
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we'll take that that's pretty darn good yeah but it was the Porsche 911 Coupe that led the way they only had a 9.3
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depreciation after 5 years and the pors 718 came in was second at 17.6 actually
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Four Porsches on the list there was three Chevys on the list and both the Chevys actually did better than the Corvette as well there's a Camaro at
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number seven and then I believe a Chevy Spark at number 19 I think as you get into next year when we start to see the
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first c8s we'll probably move up on that list just because there was all that highend demand that be the beginning and
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people kept those cars it's a good thing for Corvette we've always done well on these kinds of charts but there's a lot of competition out there too yeah
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definitely well buddy thanks for being back on Corvette today when you and I talk next we'll be after Thanksgiving
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that's hard to believe we're going to be listening to Christmas music and of course maybe you have to open with a little Mariah Carey right yeah no let's
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let's not go there okay we'll be sick of it by then absolutely well thanks a lot buddy and I'll talk to you in two weeks
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