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May 8, 2025
Welcome! We're excited to have you here for an insightful discussion on Corvette Today. Also, take advantage of this opportunity to explore who is Corvette legend Don Runkle. This video comprehensively overviews who is Corvette legend Don Runkle. Some of the topics we will discuss are: - Don sits down with your CORVETTE TODAY host, Steve Garrett - Don tells the story of how Corvette engineers got the OK for the C4 Corvette - Don has just been nominated for the Corvette Hall of Fame Our channel is dedicated to providing a wealth of captivating content, emphasizing the importance of Corvette Today. Discover the art of knowing more about who is Corvette legend Don Runkle. ******************** Don Runkle may not be a household name right now in the world of Corvette, but he sure was when the C4 was launching! Don sits down with your CORVETTE TODAY host, Steve Garrett, to talk about his career. Runkle was the Chief Engineer for Chevrolet, he worked with Zora Arkus Denton, he's been at the head of many companies, including Delphi. Don tells the story of how Corvette engineers got the OK for the C4 Corvette along with the story of how we didn't have a 1983 Corvette! He also tells the story of what happened when Corvette was supposed to go to 6 cylinders or diesel.
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what it is today he's brought over five Decades of executive leadership across many Industries and functions and he did
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much of Corvette's product planning too which includes getting approval for the C4 Corvette and the ZR1 his name is Don
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RL Don welcome to Corvette today my friend well Steve looking forward to the interview enjoyed your show all the time
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you do a great job the Corvette fans are lucky to have you thank you sir you are too kind I appreciate all the Kudos Don
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first off I usually do this with my guests tell me about your upbring tell me where you grew up did you have any
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siblings and did you come from a car family well it's interesting I have a totally unimpressive upbringing I grew
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up in sort of central Pennsylvania in a town that had about 50 people in it called Pike town every day I walked
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across the Appalachian Trail not many of your guests will be able to make the claim that I started my education in a
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one room Schoolhouse with outdoor Johns wow you can tell I was a late birth in
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my family my dad unfortunately died when I was think about 11 years old and my
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brother who actually fought in World War II he was substantially older from my dad's first marriage so he was like 25
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years older than me and and he basically from that time on watched over and took
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me hunting and shooting guns and lots of stuff like that and a lot of car stuff
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so in my early days I tinkered with bikes and lawnmowers and motorcycles lots of mechanical tinkering sort of had
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that Mechanical Aptitude and so that's how it started and from there I you know went on to to be much more interested in
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cars and so forth and somehow stumbled into a job at General Motors and did lots of good stuff and the rest is
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history right right Don tell me about the time when you figured out you were a real car
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person I would say when my brother and I he said hey let's build a hot rod so we
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found a 29 Model A which was in bushel baskets okay bought it for 25 bucks put
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it in his pickup truck and brought it to the shop and you know I'm 12 years old or 11 years old used to ride my bike out
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to his garage which was about a half hour bike ride and so we began to make it into a real hot ride you know we Zed
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the frame and put a suicide front end and a 32 Grill and put a Ford small block engine in it and three two barrel
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strong bird carburators and all that good stuff so that was sort of the car side of it then I bought a 33 Cabret and
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put a Hemi in it when I turned 16 I bought a tr2 right-and drive by my NAD
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sports car and drove it in college ooh the only reason girls would go out with me in college was because when I drove
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it all their girlfriends thought they were driving since mine was rightand drive
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so I thought it was me but that's awesome so when did Corvettes come into
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your realm and was Corvette always the car for you I would say it came into me
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I always admired it but you know I had a tr2 then we had a Ford hot rod then I had a 58 Volkswagen which is what I had
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when I went off to the university so then when I actually went into General Motors which was December 16th 1968 a
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century ago that year I bought a 1970 a brand new Corvette I remember Brand's
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Hatch Green with saddle interior 327 o in a day when you got employee discounts
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there and you could actually sell it a year or two later and make a little money on it then two years later after I
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was at GM I ended up in the company car program and so then I was out of vets for a while because I went into a
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different PR there with them but then I'd say when I ended up later on in
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Chevrolet planning Corvette was one of my projects that I kept under my own to
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Le instead of the rest of the Chevrolet product line so it sort of entered the day where I could start to have some
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influence or some input into that that sounds good now talk about your college career where did you go to school and
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what did you study my family none of them graduated from even high school they were hourly people my dad was a
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well driller my mom was a seamstress we had zero money and so I didn't have any money and didn't know what college was
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until frankly around 11th grade one of my teachers said where are you going to college I said what's college but anyway
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since I had no money I ended up he suggested look at Co-op schools so there's only about three or four around
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the nation and I looked at a few of them and so one was in Philadelphia Drexel University and so I joined them in a
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co-op School six months of the year in general you can have a real job you're not waiting on tables nothing wrong with
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waiting on t tables but you had a real engineering related job I went into mechanical engineering and you made damn
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good money I could basically make the tuition with my six months there then you go back and go to school for six
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months takes you five years my first job was at Kodak in Rochester New York and I
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was sort of a Time studier and I wrote a little program for them a computer program that helped them estimate how
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long it takes to build film processing machines the next year I went to Ford in Dearborn again in a computer science
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sort of Department there and nearby University of Michigan was there so I went down just to see what that was all
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about when I walked there I said wow this is where I want to go to school big university the difference between Drexel
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and University of Michigan is the books that we read in Drexel were written by the professors at Michigan so huh there
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you go so anyway so then I transferred to Michigan that following year with a
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scholarship and got a dsme there then after joining GM there in 68 then I
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picked up a masters in mechanic one engineering a couple years later than that when I was at Chevy planning GM
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sent me to MIT for an MBA on their swen fellows program which is a very special
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International class of just 53 students and we did our MBA in one year you stu
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two-year MBA into one year man Steve it changed my outlook on where I might go
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in my career up until then I'm just working on stuff and getting along but that changed my mind so to speak that's
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amazing all right so you work for Kodak you work for Ford for a while tell me how you got your job at General Motors
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Don well it's interesting that the University of Michigan my advisor there
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everybody had an advisor assigned to him was Professor David Cole so David Cole's father was the famous president of
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General Motors Ed Cole oh and he was as you recall the developer of the Chevy small block right and he had a very
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special relationship with dun off and also a fellow named Claire mcken now Claire was number two at the GM design
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staff quite frankly he was head of all Chevy design and think of this from 54
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through 1965 think of the cars through there right yeah the 55 Chevy the 57
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Chevy the 58 the 50 all those yeah and then he went on to become head of opal design well I ended up getting married
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to his daughter no kidding she was an artist she was at Michigan that's where I met her and that marriage lasted 20
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years and two children's twins but that's how I got in there was Dave Cole heard near the end of my bachelor's
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program at Michigan you know you're interviewing and so forth right and he heard that I accepted a job at Standard
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Oil California huh stupid me I accepted it because it was the highest offer in those times there was lots of jobs for
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people with BS from University of Michigan so he heard about this he called me into his office and just
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raised hell and he said Ronco you are a car guy you're not an oil guy so I want
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you to go talk to a upand comer at General Motors a fellow named Lloyd Rey
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who eventually became GM's president and as you know Mark Roy is the current President of General Motors his son now
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Martin was five years old so Lloyd invited me over to his house you know and Marcy and his wife was there and
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really put the arm on me and convinced me to call up Standard Oil and say I'm not coming and I switched over and went
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to work at Chevrolet engineering at December of 68 wow and I remember I
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think Mark was five or six years old at the time and I remember a couple years later his dad Lloyd says Mark what do
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you want to do when you grow up he says Dad I'm G to have Mr rumple's
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job that's a fantastic story Don that's great I tell you what buddy let's take
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our first break when we come back in segment two we'll talk about your time at General Motors all right that's
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great stories in segment number two we're going to talk about Don's time at General Motors Don when you first got to
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GM after that arm twisting there at the big guy house what was your first job when you
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got to General Motors and then the other ones thereafter well as I said Lloyd hired me in was my mentor then for it
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seems like life he stuck me into a role in their Advanced Computer Systems area
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and I started writing computer programs to simulate barrier crashes as you know to qualify for cars that there's got to
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run into the barrier and there's a steering column penetration all kinds of stuff you got to pass right well I with
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another research and research developed a program to simulate that on a computer so I ended up crashing several thousand
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vehicles on the computer so that was the first one for a couple years I probably wrote you know
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5,000 computer programs inside of that thing because that was a very sophisticated analysis program and just
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what a mechanical engineer ought to be working on sure then following that Royce opened a lot of doors for me he
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was a mover and so he moved every few years and quite frankly about every two years unexpected he'd call me up and say
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hey I got a new spot for you it just became one job after another and after being on a job for about two years I
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could always count on him moving me from a job that I was just getting comfortable with and knowing something
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about to a job that I had no clue what it was all about he took me from being
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chief engineer your cam he says hey tomorrow you're going to show up and run Buick engines I said ly I'm sort of a
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hack at engines you know he said you'll figure it out that's amazing now tell me the story
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about how you got to start working on Corvette then yeah so one of the roles was in the Chevrolet planning that's
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where I went to MIT out of there when I came back I went through the bega program I was chief engineer Camaro and
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a bunch of other stuff but when I was in product planning and came back from Salon they made me head of Chevrolet
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product planning there was a passenger car side there was a truck side and a manufacturing side as part of that I had
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all the Chevrolet car platforms as a planning standpoint but I kept Corvette to myself so to speak I always had a
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fascination with it and always liked racing and things like that and so I kept it to myself and then after selling
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what we call the 84 C4 program to the GM product policy group that was the top
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level group of the chairman and the CEO ours I always kept my fingers in the vet for rest of the my time at General
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Motors in terms of concept vets mid engines and all kinds of different approaches to that always with the
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engineering department Dave ML and I became great friends to this day he's the guy that replaced dunov when I was
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chief engineer at Camaro for a short time there right near dunov and I shared a three office suite with dunov so wow
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nice so I really go back there that's awesome so it was in that area so with
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all the racing Daytona lons the GTO Corvettes the showroom Stu program the
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ZR1 came up with the one we did with the Lotus Tony rud and that Yang so I always
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kept my fingers in that stuff but it all started as part of Chevrolet planning and started with getting the C4 program
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approved that's really cool now you mentioned you were chief engineer for Camaro but at 39 years old Don you were
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already the chief engineer of Chevrolet overall wow that's amazing and then you
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were GM's vice president of advanced engineering and the director of advanced vehicle engineering as well weren't you
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yeah that's right like I said I could probably plot those all out about every two years it was a different role but my
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first chief engineer role was on the Camaro Roy moved me in there and we did the 82 Camaro which one car of the year
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that year then on from that with some of the other things then I ended up back as chief engineer of Chevrolet during the
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big reorganization of General Motors and then moved on to Advanced vehicle engineering and then I became vice
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president of General Motors in charge of advanced engineering and I like to always brag that I was that in those
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days it's much different these days I was the third youngest vice president ever John DeLorean was number one at 40
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John Belz was number two at 41 and I was number three at 42 that's amazing
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congratulations my friend that's awesome now I think you can become a vice president when you're 22 years old over
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there but in those days to be a vice president was a big deal you know you're in the I
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think it still is to be honest with you I think it is at least to me it is it's a good job it is now you came to
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Corvette at a very Monumental time as we talked about you were part of the C4 launch we lost an Infamous year there in
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1983 didn't we that's right yeah we started working it took forever in terms
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of years to get the C4 up and running the Corvette's volume had fallen off precipitously there was even some rumor
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that okay we might drop the Corvette in those days Dave MCL had already taken over from dun off on the Corvette
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program and so it was just time to do a new Corvette so we worked on this
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program for years the planning of it and so forth and to Dave mlen credit he
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continued to push to move the vet to Simply a different level the way I like
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to put it to be able to run with the big boys the Ferraris and Porsches and all those guys and not ever have to Corvette
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for many years always had to apologize for something right right it had a live rear axle or it didn't have this or it
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didn't have that to Dave's credit and I was Solly behind him from a planning standpoint he said let's do a bet that
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we don't have to make any apologies for I don't know if we're going to be the fastest car out there but we're going to
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be able to run with all of the fastest cars and I thought that was a great way to go yeah definitely and the C4
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represented a huge upgrade in technology didn't it yeah that's right it was a huge task when I went to the product
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policy group and again this is the top Brash the chairman sitting there the CEO and so forth and I'm walking in there to
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make the presentation okay and cheerleaders you know mlen these guys are all there in the program I went in
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and presented a slid show of the history of Corvette and what it meant to General
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Motors and quite frankly I shamed them into approving this I said ladies and
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gentlemen it would be a damn shame If This Were the group that decided to not move the Corvette to the next level yep
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and the slideshow had all these old 53 vet things and Concepts all the great
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great history racing and you name it and Dave put together the engineering behind
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the change because I'm going into a group that normally only approves program if there's a cost reduction in
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the program huh okay yeah I'm going in asking and usually it's like can you
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save 25 cents on this and 30 cents on this so can you save $32 on this new car
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program I'm going in asking for like $1,000 cost increase because we went
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with aluminum this and that stiffened the body a lot the aerodynamics in there the concealed headlights all the things
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that went into moving this vet because we wanted to move it to a different level in the market and we knew there
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was some risk there because Corvette customers as you know are very loyal to that thing and they're very protective
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the Corvette oh yeah this notion of okay can we move this because we knew a price increase was going to be there but then
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we weren't going to make any apologies for this car out there it was going to run with the big boys that was the thing
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so there was a lot of tap dancing on my part and I came up with the idea I said let's reveal the history because some of
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these people might not know it but the key guys do the chairman knows the history the president knows the history
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the head of engineering knows the history we'll shame him into approving this thing hey that worked didn't it
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work because about halfway through the pitch I remember I think it was P says rle sit down it's
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approved that's awesome that's another great story but then we had move we had to skip the year because we were so far
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late in that there was no real sense to do an 83 we said okay don't fool around with an 83 it just will use up our
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resources and it doesn't matter some cars it's important to have model years the BET almost stands on its own it's
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its own brand so to speak definitely that's an awesome story well buddy let's take our final break when we get back
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this final segment we're going to talk more about that Don outline for me all the advances that the C4 generation
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brought to Corvette well I Cann possibly outline all of them but with ml's
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expertise and one of the terrific Engineers it couldn't have been a better choice after dun off to head up the
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Corvette program there was an advanced IRS system that was put in there obviously did all the forged aluminum
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suspension components in the front SLA front suspension and so forth a thing that I hated was the skip shift on the
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car if you'll remember we went went from first gear to fourth gear right unless you cut that little wire that we
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displayed underneath the console that says do not cut so the skip shift was
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there basically to beat the EPA gas guzzler stuff Dave and his gang came up with that Rusty did a crossfire I said
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Russ are you sure you want to call this Crossfire but anyway Crossfire injection tune didn't take engine so it was a good
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Innovation it f the character of the car low profile and so forth obviously the arrow my good friend Jerry Palmer did
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the design of the car just did a remarkable job and had such a great relationship with engineering sometimes
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design and Engineering don't get along but that was a great team mclin's engineering enabled some of the arrow
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things that he could put into that to get the wind cheating Arrow yeah obviously a dramatic stiffening of the
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chassis the Corvette was not terrific in that category so that was some of the stuff I didn't particularly like it but
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the instrument panel you know with the Liquid Crystal displays and so forth that was one of the things I would have
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done differently but mlen was all geeked up about it so we did it that way there you go yeah that works so those are some
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of the things that were in the product obviously the concealed headlights and the overall appearance of it was just a
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dramatic change from before and to this day I still think it's one of the more beautiful vets that were out there I
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agree buddy that's for sure now we alluded to this in the second segment Don but tell me more of the inside the
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backstory about the famous we missed the year of 1983 yeah it took a long time
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there was some issues in and around bigger picture stuff for the Corvette was under a bit of pressure as to
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whether it should continue or not and so forth because you know General Motors here building what 10 million vehicles
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or something like that who the hell needs this 20,000 unit V that takes a lot of resources and so forth so there
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was that going on so it took us a longer time than normal and this was a big
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change because as you know we moved from the C3 to the C4 was probably the biggest change we had done it just took
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a long time to get the engineering organized to get the pitch presentation cleaned up so that we'd get sold because
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we're going in for a fairly substantial cost increase and so we frankly just got late we sat around and I don't know
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where the idea came from but says why don't we just skip the damn 1983 and just go right to 84 the Corvette crowds
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we don't sit around very long to make a decision you know so so it was done that's funny that's
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awesome now I even found out that there was even talk about making the Corvette a V6 or a diesel at one time and you
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stopped that and I have to say thank you for stopping that well I'm not sure I'm the only guy that stopped that but we
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know that Lloyd Roy stepped in there and loud stample and myself and obviously Dave and we had run quite a few V6 vets
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in prototypes mlen had them running turbos and so forth and some of the ones we did with the higher performance V8
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turbos and that actually led to now since deceased Reeves Callaway who became a very good friend of mine as we
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sort of turned over the Twin Turbo Corvette to re because our view was that GM's never going to approve something
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with that much horsepower so re why don't you do this that's funny so there was a lot of discussion it's during the
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time where the EPA was going nuts over fuel economy the Corvette's a poster child it goes fast it's got high speed
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and it's a gas guzzling be and all that sort of stuff and so there was the discussion of V6 I'm not negative on
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diesels but there was a discussion there by Howard Carol why don't we put a diesel engine in and as you know the
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performance of all those kinds of cars fell off dramatically in and around those time periods right so anyway we
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just banded together as a like-minded Corvette passion people and just willed
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the V8 to stay in the program and the V6 and the Diesels never made it there you go thank goodness now after General
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Motors in Corvette Don you went on to be like Vice chairman of deli and the CEO of Eco mortars International wow yeah it
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was very interesting I was te engineer when I went into being vice president of engineering and then I went over to Deli
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and I think Jack Smith at the time says Ronco enough all this engineering stuff you're doing you need to learn how to
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become a businessman he said there's a couple spots that could be doing he says you could take my job except I have my
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job so you can't have that one and he said but over in the parts department which is the steering guys chassan that
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huge organization that did the parts for General Motors which became Deli he said
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we can make you president of one of those 15 divisions and you wouldn't even have to move so how about that he says
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you won't be there long you'll be over there for a couple years but it'll teach you because a division of Deli had
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everything public relations engineering manufacturing Finance everything but treasury so you learned all the things
31:46
about that and I remember my first day up at Sagen I'm driving up to sagol as president of Sagen okay my first day so
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I called up Roger pensy and I says I have no clue what to do as a businessman
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says turn around I'll come down and give you a two-hour teach on it that's awesome wow but anyway so I went over
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there then we ended up getting in our heads at Deli that we should take Deli out of General Motors because we were
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selling all the GM parts but only a few car companies Chrysler would buy parts from Deli but Ford wouldn't they said
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look we just give you guys money to buy steering gear and then you give the money to general motor and they come out and beat us up on trucks so they
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wouldn't but we said okay we're good we know how to do all thisch technical stuff because I'd say 70% of the
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intellectual property in General Motors was in Deli it's steering and Chassis and all that sort of stuff right because
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car companies basically stamp Metals make engines and Assemble Yeah and the rest of the parts come from suppliers so
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anyway we spun that off I helped spin that off with the CEO at the time the president batenburg and I remember one
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day that they called me up and say hey we want to offer you a job back here at General Motors as president of sa I
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listened to the pitch it was pretty good at that time I was was in a great spot over at Deli and they wanted to take sa
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and go up against BMW huh okay and I looked at Lou Hughes and I said Lou
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that's impossible I said there is no way this little car that New Hampshire school
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teachers buy the sa okay this eccentric little car is going to go up against BMW
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so I said I think I'll stay at Deli nice nice then I went over there and then
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left alpi eventually I became vice chairman and ran engineering manufacturing all that there and then
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VOD kosa called me up and says hey I have this new engine company you know the guy that invented the engine Peter Hof comes out of Volkswagen so would you
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become the the CEO and I went from that and then did other Venture Capital stuff to stuff I still did today nice that's
33:41
awesome now buddy we talked about this a little bit earlier and you alluded to Zora but you were involved with Zora in
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some of the really cool experimental projects called serve C RV talk about
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that program because those cars were just fantastic yeah always being an admirer of dun I only interacted with
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him for a very short time near the end of his career just as I was getting started on the Camaro side but I always
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admired him obviously I have a ton of Zora stories we'll skip those right now he did the serve one the Corvette
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experimental research vehicle one and two these were open Wheels he me him as race cars and so forth so many years
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later when I was at Advanced vehicle engineering I sort of got it in my head talking at the time we owned Lotus and I
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became very good friends with Tony rud who was the chief engineer of lotus did their Formula 1 team and just a
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wonderful wonderful person and we became very very good friends and ended up doing the ZR1 engine between the engine
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guys at Chevy and Lotus and that's the one that became in the first ZR1 the 32 valve engine yeah so we discussed what
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could we do as a tour to force to do another serve and I sort of had to call it the Corp experimental research
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vehicle because I was not actually in Chevy at the time okay later I think they renamed it the Corvette
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experimental research vehicle but that's probably a closely held secret but anyway and John lamb when he was at
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radent track did just a wonderful article and if you Google the serve three it's just loaded out there with
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YouTubes and so forth about it it was one of the many Mid Engine Concepts that
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were done for Corvette over the years it was by far the most sophisticated
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concept vehicle of any kind of concept vehicle the GM had ever done so it was a fabulous product to work on because
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basically between us and mlen and Tony rud we said we're going to put
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everything we can think of in this vehicle and we actually did a presentation to ourselves saying could
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we actually do a Supercar and I remember Gordon Murray called me up one day and he came over to the auto show and he
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says I'd like to see your serve three this is before he was doing the McLaren stuff wow because the car when you look
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at it knit engine put the ZR1 engine in it the aluminum 32 valve with twin
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turbos I think it's reported to be a 00 horsepower I think we were closer to 800 it had four-wheel drive four-wheel
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steering the Lotus active suspension which is still the most phenomenal suspension system ever Arington Senna
36:09
won the Detroit Grand Prix with active suspension on his Lotus at the time so we put that in there it had throttle
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kickers so just before the wheels would break loose your gas pedal would sort of kick in your foot and say hey if you
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push any harder these wheels are going to break traction so just have that in mind and so we had Force vectoring
36:27
controls so we know each wheel where it was and what it was doing and could apply the right amount of power to that
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wheel and since we had control of the suspension and the steering and the drive we could put the Power there we
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could steer the rear wheels as well as the front wheels so it had a phenomenal capability in terms of just Dynamic
36:48
control it was there you can read about John's article Lamb's article you can dig that out it probably was the best
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coverage of it but there must be a thousand articles out there on this car it's sort of the mid- engine car that
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wasn't yeah absolutely right and I love the look of it the whole serve project from serve one serve 2 and serve three
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was fantastic it was a great idea and Jerry Palmer did the design of the serve three and obviously C4 and C5 and so
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forth you know in my day with all the various teams I had the terrific responsibility to lead we did the first
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contemporary electric vehicle the impact which turned out to be the ev1 hybrids gas turbines C ambering machines the
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lean machine the ultr light which we did with Bert Routan I just got off the phone with him this morning actually wow
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which was 100 mile per gallon four passenger vehicle we did it because we said hey at 100 miles per gallon it
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doesn't matter what gasoline costs right you'll spend more money on Starbucks yeah and just on and on the sun racer
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when we went to Australia and we won the race and second place came in two and a half days after we did these were all
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terrific projects for engineers to show what could be that's what a concept car is to be push the envelope yeah
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absolutely right and buddy congratulations are in order for you we just found out that you've been nominated for the Corvette Hall of Fame
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that is outstanding well thanks a lot we'll see what happens here I referred to M I think in section one CLA mckin
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who has had all those Corvettes in there he actually didn't get inducted until after he died so I hope that's not true
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at the Corvette that's funny well Don thank you
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